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10 Responses to “Hobbit or Troll?”

1. By Frodo on Mar 4, 2008

   Just sent this email to Batona that I felt was worth sharing with you all.

   Batona,

   If you have a problem with anything I posted, I really would appreciate that you either contact me directly rather making a cowardly posting on your blog and refering to me as a troll. For the record I am officially pissed of and you can go to ****.

   Frodo

2. By Bob on Mar 4, 2008

   What is cowardly? I posted publicly. Are you aware of what a troll is? Allow me to quote Wikipedia:

   An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

   How else would you describe your multiple posts to multiple boards calling an event idea “a waste of time and effort”?

   In light of the many other comments you had made about events in the past that counter your “new” position, one wonders what has changed.

   Given your animosity toward me and my opinions, it certainly appears personal.

   Is it not, Frodo?

3. By Frodo on Mar 4, 2008

   Bob,

   I don’t agree with some of your positions - in fact sometimes the disagreement is very strong. I tend to speak from feelings and if you have found that offensive I am sorry.

   I saw your posting regarding the WhereIgo caches on three different forums that I regularly read and I felt that my response was appropriate to the three audiences. If there was any negativity in the response it was not directed at you nor was it directed to shut down discussion. The response was from frustration on a new type of cache which requires the use of undocumented software that is in alpha testing as well as new hardware, the Colorado, which is having roll-out problems. I will not be able to play the WhereIgo game this year for financial reasons and I am reacting to my feelings of exclusion.

   My comments on the forums were not meant to offend but since they did I apolgize.

   My posting above where I told you where to go was meant to offend. I also apologize for that.

   I still find your characterization of me as a troll to be offensive. Apologize if you care to or not. The ball is in your court.

   There is nothing personal between us Bob as we have never met. Its just seems to me that whenever we disagree that things tend to evolve to character assassination on your blog.

   So I think it best that you go your way and I go mine.

   God bless you, peace.

   Frodo_Underhill
   Dennis

4. By Bob on Mar 4, 2008

   I saw your posting regarding the WhereIgo caches on three different forums that I regularly read and I felt that my response was appropriate to the three audiences.

   Here is a point we disagree on. My post was informative and encouraged folks to vote on the site Groundspeak has asked folks interested in having this event. The topic was voting at Eventful.com to have an event, not whether or not Wherigo is a viable game for you. Your “waste of time and effort” is not on topic. You, as you state later on the comment above, are frustrated with a new cache type. While there is some crossover between Wherigo and geocaching, what was asked for was to learn about a new game . . . for free . . . from the inventor.

   The response was from frustration on a new type of cache which requires the use of undocumented software that is in alpha testing as well as new hardware, the Colorado, which is having roll-out problems.

   The game is in beta testing according to the web site. That aside, your frustration with the game has absolutely nothing to do with holding an event.

   My comments on the forums were not meant to offend but since they did I apolgize.

   It takes a big man to apologize publicly. I appreciate that.

   I still find your characterization of me as a troll to be offensive.

   First, I did not call you a troll, but I think the description fits. I appreciate your apology. I recognize you are disputing the intent of your posts. Color me skeptical (remember, I forfeited my right to comment). Characterizing my idea for an event as “a waste of time” on multiple fora does not endear me to your position; it elicits emotion and disrupts the topic. That is the act of a troll.

   Its just seems to me that whenever we disagree that things tend to evolve to character assassination on your blog.

   This is the kind of throwaway remark that digs deep. I understand your frustration, but I do not engage in “character assassination”. I challenge you Frodo to point to where you have had your character assassinated on this site. That is uncalled for.

5. By Frodo on Mar 4, 2008

   “This is the kind of throwaway remark that digs deep. I understand your frustration, but I do not engage in “character assassination”. I challenge you Frodo to point to where you have had your character assassinated on this site. That is uncalled for”

   You did me a troll by inference and that was uncalled for.

   I forgive you even if you won’t apologize and now I am going to forget about it all.

   Have a good life Bob

6. By Bob on Mar 4, 2008

   For the record, you are not defending “whenever we disagree that things tend to evolve to character assassination on your blog”. Gotcha.

   And as I said above, you acted like a troll.

   It’s this simple, Dennis:
   I documented 19 events where you commented about how nice it was to get together with new and old people. None of that was predicated on being able to pay for a meal, play a game, etc.

   As soon as I proposed asking for an event to be held, your initial reaction that you posted to multiple fora was to forget about the fun of hanging out with people that brought you such joy at 19 events and concentrate on the game that would be demonstrated for free by its inventor. That free demonstration was for something that has brought “frustration” to you.

   That is the behavior of a troll. There is nothing to forgive me for, so save your kindness for someone else deserving of it.

7. By Frodo on Mar 4, 2008

   For the record, the full quote is:

   “It is an interesting concept but until they get this out of Alpha and make it more accessible on other platforms, sounds like a waste of time and effort. Plenty of real caches to find in the mean time.”

   I like events - I went to one a few days earlier. Sheees! I just don’t care to invest any time in WhereIgo and the Colorado for now. That is a valid opinion that I cared to share.

   If anyone is guilty of anything it is you shilling for Garmin and Groundspeak on multiple forums.

   I have graciously apologized and forgiven you Bob and you just throw it back at me. You have exceeded the amount of time that I have to spend on you and this subject.

   Peace

8. By Bob on Mar 4, 2008

   Shilling for Groundspeak. That’s a good one, Dennis. That put a smile on my face. Seriously. You really are not in touch with my perspective.

   So, it would be perfectly valid to you then to post to your proposed Peter Pan cache:

   sounds like a waste of time and effort. Plenty of real caches to find in the mean time.

   Would that be on topic? Would it be posted to get your goat? Would it be trolling to post that?

   It’s an event, not an investment in Garmin or Groundspeak. But since you seem so filled with emotion about it, it would also be a venue for you to vent to the CEO of Groundspeak.

   Instead, you decide to shoot it down.

   Yup, it’s your opinion. And my opinion, based on the my observations I made above, is you were a troll.

   Edit to add:
   Documenting that you were a troll is not “character assassination”. Rather, it is reporting your behavior.

9. By Frodo on Mar 4, 2008

   Calling me a troll is character assassination.

   And in closing, on strong advice of my council, I will no longer be able to communicate with you here in this forum.

10. By Bob on Mar 4, 2008

    No, documenting your behavior is not character assassination. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the terms you bandy about so casually. Again, from Wikipedia:

    Character assassination is an intentional attempt to influence the portrayal or reputation of a particular person, whether living or a historical personage, in such a way as to cause others to develop an extremely negative, unethical or unappealing perception of him or her. By its nature, it involves deliberate exaggeration or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person.

    There is no “deliberate exaggeration or manipulation of facts”. I documented your actions. Your actions fit the definition of a troll. No manipulation is needed.

    As for not participating here, I’ll miss your contributions.